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Nightmare on Elm Street

Lone protester claims history of abuse

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Nightmare on Elm Street
Debra Hughes claims she was abused by staff at Marian Hall in Beaconsfield back when it used to be a child protection school for girls in the '70s.
Nightmare on Elm Street
Lone protester claims history of abuse
Raffy Boudjikanian
raffy.boudjikanian@transcontinental.ca
For the past month, a lone protester has been standing watch just outside the wooded patch near the entrance to Marian Hall, a privately run senior's residence on Elm Street in Beaconsfield.

Deborah Hughes, who said she lived at Marian Hall from 1970 to 1976 when it used to be a protection school for young girls, is a very quiet protester. There are no constant chants through a megaphone and marches up and down Elm.

Instead, a large tarp is mounted on a makeshift clothesline, "Marion Hall-my nightmare," scrawled over it, along with photocopies of various newspaper clippings from the 1970s covering controversies and reforms surrounding juvenile social service centres at the time.

"I am trying to protest against Marian Hall for the abuse I received there," Hughes told The Chronicle during an interview.

According to her, these alleged abuses included being picked on and teased. "(Staff members) didn't give me my shower stuff," she said, instead choosing to tease her with it. "They would kick you, they'd push you, they'd pull your hair," she added.

Hughes also bemoaned the opportunities teenagers there lacked. "There really was nothing to do," she said. "You could get a pack of cards if you could find all the cards," she said with a laugh.

"I never saw the outside," she added, stating teenagers were locked inside the hall 24 hours a day.

Among other things, that led to self-mutilation for some, according to Hughes, including her. She pointed to thin knife scars on her elbows and wrists as proof.

At least some of Hughes' testimony is backed up by a report submit in December 1975 to the provincial Ministry of Social Services at the time, which has since then folded in with the Health Ministry.

The report was written by a committee headed by Manuel Batshaw, after whom the current social services organization for English youth in Quebec is named. It recommended a series of reforms to youth services in Quebec after visiting several different centres, including Marian Hall.

On June 21, 1975, Batshaw and another committee member visited the hall and met with officials there. "Everyone has the feeling that there is not enough money for even basic needs," the report reads, highlighting how there was a car for trips, but no budget for anybody to drive it.

The report also claims that from January to April 1975, five fires, 19 self-mutilations, and 17 "attacks on staff" took place, though these are not described in more detail.

"We did abuse (the staff)," Hughes admit, but she said this amounted to sometimes locking up staff in the living room and then attempting to run away.

Hughes said she and several other girls have tried to run away over the course of the years. "I ended up turning myself in," she said, being unable to live on her own outside.

Hughes also said she vaguely recalled one girl dying while attempting to run. The report confirms this. "One girl was killed while on a run," it reads, adding "many" ran away, with six never returning, nine being arrested, and the rest returning "after a few days."
Nobody there
Hughes seems to think those who ran Marian Hall are still responsible for it today, pointing to a group called St. Patrick's Montreal Orphanage. Nobody The Chronicle contacted was able to even confirm anybody involved in administration in the 70s is still alive, much less actively involved in running it.

The hall closed down after the Batshaw report, re-opening in 1978 as a seniors' residence.

William H. Wilson, who sits on its administrative council as president, said nobody on the council, including him, were around at the time. "I'm old, but I'm not that old," he said with a laugh, when asked if he was part of the hall's council in the seventies.

Wilson added that he heard Hughes had changed her story at one point. According to him, she first claimed she was protesting against Batshaw, until she was told the place she was in front of was Marian Hall.

The building's current manager, Jude Chen, said he has worked there for 15 years, never hearing of any other trouble stories from the hall's past days.

"To my knowledge, there is none," he said, asked if anybody from an older administrative council is still around.

According to the Batshaw report, day to day operations at Marian Hall were run by the Sisters of the Good Shepherd, an English Catholic group, up to 1972. Afterward, "the nuns were replaced by child-care workers."

A member of the Sisters who claimed she worked at Marian Hall at the time spoke to The Chronicle on condition of anonymity. "We left there in '72," she confirmed, but denied knowledge of any abuse. "It certainly was not our philosophy," she said. She seemed sceptical that anybody could have escaped. "If I remember the building, it would have been a very difficult thing to do," she said.

And whereas copies of old bylaws for Marian Hall dating from 1962 indicate an indirect tie to the Roman Catholic Church, this too was shot down.

"The affairs of the corporation shall be managed by a board of directors, consisting of 10, one of whom shall be the Ecclesiastic exercising the office of Roman Catholic Bishop of the Archdiocese of Montreal or his representative who shall be appointed and replaced at will by the said Ecclesiastic," the bylaw reads.

However, a spokesperson for the Roman Catholic Church, Eric Durocher, said that does not mean the church was tied to the board. "The Diocese did not tell religious communities how to run their affairs," he said.

Frequently, he added, organizations that used to have strong church involvement and would become secular kept a member of the church on its board of directors out of respect for tradition.

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Deborah Hughes

Comment online since October 7th 2009
I am the person profiled in this article. First of all I would like to thank the people who commented about the situation at Marian Hall. I am interested in contacting anyone who was a resident of Marian Hall.
E-Mail me at deborahphughes2009@hotmail.com

Deborah Hughes

Comment online since October 7th 2009
I am the person profiled in this article. First of all I would like to thank the people who commented about the situation at Marian Hall. I am interested in contacting anyone who was a resident of Marian Hall.
E-Mail me at deborahphughes2009@hotmail.com

Audrey Anne Mayo (Andrea)

Comment online since April 3rd 2009
I also, was in Marian Hall for almost 3 years. A lot of what these girls are saying is the truth, however, I did not experience any hitting or abuse directly from the staff but instead from the other older girls. It put the fear of God in me. I was 12 when I entered there and 15 when I left. I also experienced the dungeon hole for 5 days with only a bucket in the corner to use as a washroom, a board bolted to the floor with only a 2 inch mattress which they gave you at night and took away in the morning and no shower. I was spoken to on occasion from a small locked window in the door and fed cold food on a tray. Ms. Wallace, the social worker at the time loved to bring you in her office and tell you what a rotten little person you were and why you were there. There was always a smirk on her face when she did that. She left during my stay there. They also had no problem putting you on downers and as such I had been put on Haldol. Yup, at 13 years old. Education system there was primitive teachings and I gained nothing from them. I can go on but this would turn into a book. I just wanted to say that there are many girls who were at Marian hall and each have a few stories each to tell you. All I know is if a parent even tries to lock up a child today they will be arrested for child abuse but for some reason, noone questions what happened to us girls. Nobody seemed to question the little dark rooms. Marian Hall was child abuse, I don't have much respect for the place and am glad it's over but yes, I'm in my early 50's and am still bitter for my time there. Ah yes, Sister Pauline....she's another story.

Barbara Carole Groves

Comment online since March 4th 2009
I was also in this hell hole, there is no other term, and its walls were difficult to penetrate however thanks to God Above I did it. I have never forgotten the hell I went through while I was there. I was once locked in that cell they had for 6weeks, not allowed once to wash, it was a horrible place no child should ever have to go through the things we did. I am sure this girl is telling you the truth, I once they let me out of that hole my foster parents came to see me, when they saw how broke out my face was they were so appalled they hired a lawyer on my behalf to get me out and he did. I never forgot my time there it was horrible, my hair was pulled, I was slapped. Oh and if by chance the nun you spoke to was Sister Pauline ask her if she remembers waking me up at all hours to see if she could be me at badmington and that's the gospel truth. My foster Mom had given me a beautiful cross, I also had a gold ring with a black diamond in it, these were stollen while I was in lockup. I never received anything not so much as an apology and they are required by law to protect your things while your locked up. Also the food we received was often worse than one would see in a garbage bin, I wish dearly someone would do something about all of the hell we endured as young children, I am now in my early fifties and still today have nightmares over it.

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